Big 12 Expanding?
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It looks like Gonzaga is talking to the Big East and PAC 12 too. I think you would have to get to 14 from the G5 school to go with the Zags - if we get that far.
Big 12 is the best BB league in the country.
Big 12 is the best BB league in the country.
......PUBLICITY.......They don't want to play the rigorous schedule of the BIG 12 Teams twice a year and particularly Baylor twice a year.......Gonzaga has their comfort zone schedule of playing a few 'Big Name' schools then relaxing with their comfort teams, Pacific U and others........don't think the BIG 12 will go with a Basketball team only........
So Sic 'em Bears, you're the Best, recruit and always be the BEST.....
Sure. But if you have a chance to land one of the new CBB blue bloods to your league, you do it. I mentioned finding a 14th from a G5. Take that a step further because you may not find another BB only program to go there.
If you can't, then you go two all-around schools from G5 or you poach from the PAC 12, which is probably the first choice. If you get Gonzaga, maybe that helps in the pursuit of Washington and Oregon.
I believe Oregon and Washington will leave the PAC 12. It's just a matter of finding the right home that makes sense to them. I also believe those two are a package deal.
KL, agreed mostly but constant travel time for Gonzaga, to Florida, Texas, Ohio, others, and the cost of same will eliminate their interest. Great Publicity, but......Washington, Oregon, those teams could have their choice of any Conference, but a new, comfortable $$ Contract, if it happens, for the Pac 12, they will stay put. However, the Big 12 could work a deal with them buying into the 'Rights', same as all schools. Here we go again with the 'IF' factor.......Nobody knows until it happens, but never forget Brett Yormark NEVER rests, he's always analyzing.
Sic 'em Bears, always be the best you can be.....
Sic 'em Bears, always be the best you can be.....
Maybe but air travel is a great eliminator. Heck, USC and UCLA will one fly into Newark, NJ and State College, PA for a conference game. Not all the time. But it will happen.
Money talks. Gonzaga will make 3-4x more on tv alone. More than enough to cover the increase in travel costs.
Net gain to Gonzaga. What about us and our partners? If this materially adds to us, great. If not, I don't see why to do it. How does basketball TV/Final 4 money work?
The conference gets bigger $$ shares the deeper teams advance in the tournament...if that's what you're asking.
If we added Gonzaga and 1 other to get to 14 teams, then Gonzaga went to the finals, that would net each of the 14 teams $871,423 for the next 6 years. In comparison, using the same unit price, when Baylor won it, it netted $1,219,993 to each of 10 teams for the next 6 years. The net effect of adding a successful basketball team is a positive. Not huge, but certainly material. Weigh it against the amount it diminishes Baylor's chances of winning the conference and obtaining a higher seed....I don't know. I'm not as excited about it as some of you, but it would be fine with me. Something between yawn and ok, cool, hook 'em.
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NOW, Clarity is beginning to show.....So, Gonzaga has got to weight the cost and TIME, minimum, 2-3 days flying, some weeks and the wear on the physicality of the players. Gonzaga would travel, then, 12 times, (12 Opponents now) for Conference games and their opponents in the Big 12, one time travel that same distance. Then with their new Conference opponents in the Big 12, could they continue winning as they have to maintain their recruiting and play into the NCAA's. Big decisions vs. $$$$$. Interesting scenario to contemplate. Gonzaga has the BIG decision to make......
and the Bears await and stay ready to Sic'm always, beating the Best all the time.
If the Big 12 wants Gonzaga, it's a no-brainer for Gonzaga to do this. The reality if Gonzaga's footprint in CBB is large enough to the point where a P5 conference will take them and deal with the football angle in its own way. Traveling to Waco is a lot easier than traveling to NYC to play St. John's in the basketball-only Big East.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Billy, but this reads to me that you don't want the Big 12 to add them.
Demetri Goodson, basketball player from Gonzaga transferred to Baylor in 2011 and played football. Don't remember if he started but he played a lot. Maybe Dave can pick up some D backs or wideouts from their BB team for football.
Valid points, KL,, but I didn't say the Big 12 would not accept or want Gonzaga, I said, Gonzaga has more questions to answer as compared to the possibility of more income. extensive Travel, time away from classes, facing a Heavy Load of new Talented Teams, game after game, and travel to the various States as named. Lots to think about for them. If Gonzaga wants to equate this more vigorous and loftier schedule overall, So Bring them on......Probably more TV appearances for the BIG 12, so, if Gonzaga can stand the competition in the BEST Basketball Conference, THE BIG 12 sign 'em up, as I don't think any team in this conference is not willing to beat them..
Sic 'em Bears, Big 12 teams, fans, be the best you can be......
Sic 'em Bears, Big 12 teams, fans, be the best you can be......
Ya I think it would take Gonzaga about 2 seconds to say yes if invited. No brainer. I question whether Big 12 will invite.
Here is my take on it...
New TV (and basketball) contract is set through 2031. It has pro-rata clauses built into it and potentially down to the level of stating specific schools. This would be for FB and BB.
Yorkmark knows to close the revenue gap, he has to find sources outside of TV for the next ~7 years. OR...find new sources but also, increase the value of your next media deal. Football will be tough because BIG and SEC will have first picks of any schools looking. But B12 is clearly the best basketball school...what if you can get Gonzaga and say Villanova to join you as basketball only or non-football (basketball with other sports). You'll get pro-rata on these in the current media deal because you increase quantity and quality of the inventory. you'll also increase the value over time of your post season tournament and expect that to move to bigger markets than KC (NYC is not out of the question). more quality teams that make deeper runs into the NCAA tournament equals more money. I think Yormark is playing to his strengths - become the SEC or BIG of college basketball by a wide margin. Doing so would have some impact on TV $ in 2031+ (but not to the extend of football - not even close) and it raises other revenues related to basketball from conference and Ncaa tournaments to sponsorship. Wouldn't surprise me either if you add more BB teams that you cut out non-conference games and increase the # of in-conference games so you can generate more tv money because again you're providing more quantity and quality of inventory.
